Sachiko Takeuchi: Off the Record

Honey & Honey x Tokyo Wrestling March 2007


Sachiko Takeuchi

7. Fluctuation

K:
However, even though I say it's important to me to have someone who's a woman when undressed, I still go for "bari-tachi" lesbians [like stone butches], and they usually don't undress at all in bed! So in that sense, again I think that FtMs fall pretty close into my range of possibility. I’m sure some people would think, "If you're not even looking for someone to get undressed, you might as well be with a man," but that's not the whole story. There is a difference between how they hold you and treat you compared to how actual male-born guys do (laughs). Though, I think that's a hard point for some straight folks to grasp (laughs).

You know once in a past interview, I was talking to someone who said she liked boyish women, and when I asked why she said, "Because they fluctuate between male and female." In her eyes, even while they tend to be boyish, they still have these very womanly elements to them and the whole sense that they traverse both is very attractive.

T:
I totally get that.

K:
Even if they're boyish, there are feminine elements inside them, and the fact that they can switch between the two and basically possess both is very sexy.

T:
Yes. In my case, even if a girl is really feminine on the surface, if there's something very masculine about her character it hits me like an arrow straight to the heart (laughs). There's one girl I used to go out with that I'm friends with now. She used to be very boyish when we were dating, but now she's become way cuter (laughs). She's dating a boy and she's grown her hair out and she looks really feminine. She looks super cute on the surface, but still there's a masculinity that remains and I think it's so sweet (laughs).

K:
Talking about feminine girls, in your manga you mention that you like Angelina Jolie.

T:
Yes! Even though I go on about liking boyish girls. Really, sometimes there are some people outside of that category that I fall for. Angelina Jolie is hot! I'd have no issues with her (laughs).

K:
As far as girly girls are concerned, I'd go for Jennifer Aniston (when she was in “Friends”). I love how she is...very sweet and very natural.

T:
Wow. I wouldn't have guessed that! I like people with a strong presence. People that exude femininity, and that have big lips.

K:
That's Angelina Jolie all right (laughs). It's off topic a bit, but you know, I always get to thinking that there seems to be greater pressure in Japan for people to get married than in other countries. Also, unlike in other countries, there are almost no out entertainers in Japan and next to no information on LGBT living at all. So I wonder if, because of that, a lot of lesbians end up marrying without ever even realizing their sexuality.

T:
It seems there are a lot of women out there like that. I get mail from readers who say, "I may have been gay but I have a husband and a child now."

K:
I hear stories like that too.

T:
When talking with straight friends, I notice that the topic of marriage comes up a lot. Personally I've never thought much about it, and so it shows me just how much it stays on their minds. It's strange. Do you think that you want to get married?

H:
Not at all.

T:
I didn't think so (laughs).

K:
Even when I thought I was straight, I didn't want to get married and certainly never thought about it.

T:
I was like that too. I didn't have any desire to get married, and I didn't want children - so everything worked out well (laughs). Thing's have turned out just fine for me.

K:
However, something that has surprised me is that is seems there are quite a few boyish lesbians in Japan that say they would like to give birth to a child.

T:
Oh, yes. You know, it's amazing but the ratio of bi's among boyish "tachi" lesbians is quite high. There are a lot of couples consisting of a bi "tachi" woman and a 100% lesbian woman. When I wrote about my relationship with Masako, who is bi, and me being a lesbian, many people came to tell me that it was very common. There are a lot of couples like that. Strange, isn't it? Really, you'd think more "nekos" would be bi.

K:
Are you bi?

KN:
It would be a waste of my time to date boys (laughs).

T:
Ha! I went out on a date once with a guy; we went out to eat. I had no idea what to do, being there didn't seem to make sense - and I sure didn't feel anything. I mean, well, it just depends on who you're with but anyway, at the time I just wondered, "What's so fun about this?"

I did learn from the experience though.

H:
Like, "Oh, this is what other people do."

T:
Guys are just bigger, and their hands are bigger, and I have no idea what they're thinking, and it was all very strange.

K:
Looking back I'm amazed at how well I stuck with dating guys. Even now I think so. Like, with FtMs, if they didn't have facial hair they'd be OK. But I don't think I can handle facial hair and armpit hair (laughs).

T:
I know what you mean!

K:
I'd be attracted to clean cut guys with smooth skin, but I'd have to excuse myself from some manly man with whiskers.

T:
Very interesting.

H:
Yes. It's interesting to think where we draw the line. Let's incorporate that into your next manga.

T:
Yes, what a great idea. I think today is the first time I've met people with similar experiences to mine (laughs). Let's definitely hang out again (laughs).


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